Cyberzilla

[PyrasTerran]

So just allow him to make a mecha that is going to end up decaying overtime. At least it's not against your rules, huh? Peachy, Olympus just wasted trillions of dollars on a mech that is only as good as its carcass. e_e

I would prefer a ruling from Goji over this, or did you honestly just finish ignoring my hard proof of Mecha-King Ghidorah and Kiryu as piloted cyborgs??

You're not shaking me off this, tech may not be my job, but I know when a job is being done right or not regardless of what it is.

[King of Slackers]

Kiryuu was not a cyborg when it was first built. It was quite clearly stated to be a Mecha. It's only organic features are the bones of Godzilla reinforcing it's superstructure and an artifically grown spine to aide in it's gyroscopic ability. It's fits of berserker rage and eventual realization of self-awareness was a reversal of the traditional cybernetic proccess as the spinal tissue slowly started to grow brain tissue in it's AI; a mechanical frame that has organic parts growing through them. That's why the cockpit became so much wasted space by the end of the second flick, as Kiryuu, now a living being, would not respond to the controls and was fully capable of making its own decisions without the need for a pilot.

And Mecha-King Ghidorah, though called a "cyborg", needed a pilot regardless, so technically it was this CyberZilla is: a corpse animated by science and installed with a cockpit, reinforced by available technology. You can call it a cyborg by the merest of technicalities, but again by the same technicalities you can disqualify it. Remember King Ghidorah had already been killed, precisely like this Zilla.

And the carcass is obviously not going to decay, duh. It can be treated with a preservative that allows the flesh to retain it's flexibility while retarding decomposition. Hell, he can even have this same preservative pumped through him along with his engine coolant to add luster and nutrients to the remaining organic components. Don't be silly. People who are behind these things tend to think this stuff out.

And lets not get into you doing your job right out of your field, or need I remind you about a certain mecha you approved at Basic level with the ability to launch attacks from 2,000 miles away? Really, only starships are supposed to have that ability, and if a Kaiju were to have it it'd have to be Advance level. è__ê

I'm not trying to shake you. I'm merely stating what is allowable and sensible Tech-wise and what isn't. That's ah-mah job. Even Goji can't argue too much on this, so just stop now before you get yourself all wound up about something that's pretty trivial anyways.

As it stands, Logmon's already made his decision, so your prolonging of this probably isn't going to change that. It'll all be wrapped up in the morning, and then the game'll have a creature that's just as gruesome as any beast from the best B-movie sci-fi horror show around town, complete with foxy lady-type.

[PyrasTerran]

It was quite clearly stated to be a Mecha. It's only organic features are the bones of Godzilla reinforcing it's superstructure and an artifically grown spine to aide in it's gyroscopic ability. It's fits of berserker rage and eventual realization of self-awareness was a reversal of the traditional cybernetic proccess as the spinal tissue slowly started to grow brain tissue in it's AI; a mechanical frame that has organic parts growing through them. That's why the cockpit became so much wasted space by the end of the second flick, as Kiryuu, now a living being, would not respond to the controls and was fully capable of making its own decisions without the need for a pilot.

Tell me, how can a simple skeleton have genetic coding akin to memories, which is what Kiryu exhibited? For a monster like Godzilla, it's simple: if you put a piece of Godzilla skin in water it will grow into a lump of flesh. Every cell of Godzilla's is alive, and that included the DNA contained in the skeleton. Kiryu was alive from the getgo, it just didn't realize it.

Remember that one of the reasons Mothra would have attacked humanity was from 'reviving the dead'.

And Mecha-King Ghidorah, though called a "cyborg", needed a pilot regardless, so technically it was this CyberZilla is: a corpse animated by science and installed with a cockpit, reinforced by available technology. You can call it a cyborg by the merest of technicalities, but again by the same technicalities you can disqualify it. Remember King Ghidorah had already been killed, precisely like this Zilla.

Nope. Sorry, but King Ghidorah is an even better proof than Kiryu.

That's because King Ghidorah was NOT killed already. Go back to the sequence when he is found and you will see that despite everything, he was still alive.

The only time King Ghidorah was killed was as Mecha-King Ghidorah when both it and Godzilla crashed into the waves. But for the time that it was active, it was a living piloted cyborg.

And the carcass is obviously not going to decay, duh. It can be treated with a preservative that allows the flesh to retain it's flexibility while retarding decomposition. Hell, he can even have this same preservative pumped through him along with his engine coolant to add luster and nutrients to the remaining organic components. Don't be silly. People who are behind these things tend to think this stuff out.

They obviously don't think enough to the fact that it'd be FAR more effective if it was simply revived rather than some zombie robot. It doesn't matter how preserved you keep the cells, one, they had been frozen for ages, and still not frozen well enough because the corpse was still decomposing overtime. And two, it's never going to be as good or effective as the living source.

And lets not get into you doing your job right out of your field, or need I remind you about a certain mecha you approved at Basic level with the ability to launch attacks from 2,000 miles away? Really, only starships are supposed to have that ability, and if a Kaiju were to have it it'd have to be Advance level.

haha, you can keep bringing that up as many times as you want, but you once again keep ignoring the facts: EVERYONE was fine with it, including me. YOU were the only one with a stick up your ass about it.

So as far as I am concerned, I did my job just fine in that instance, and the mecha hasn't abused its ability since. It's not like it's an unavoidable attack or extremely powerful to the point of ridiculousness. It's just a long-range round.

I'm merely stating what is allowable and sensible Tech-wise and what isn't. That's ah-mah job.

Well thanks to Mecha-King Ghidorah, you're not doing your-ah job too sharply.

Even Goji can't argue too much on this, so just stop now before you get yourself all wound up about something that's pretty trivial anyways.

Goji doesn't have to. I just finished proving why it's passible.

As it stands, Logmon's already made his decision, so your prolonging of this probably isn't going to change that. It'll all be wrapped up in the morning, and then the game'll have a creature that's just as gruesome as any beast from the best B-movie sci-fi horror show around town, complete with foxy lady-type.

Just how much of my post did you read?

I already said that this isn't about Cyberzilla more than it is about preventing you from preventing Mecha-King Ghidorahs from being made.

And just because Logmon made a decision doesn't mean he can't change it.

Logmon, honestly, you will save yourself having to bother with more sheets by just keeping him as a piloted cyborg. MKG proves that it's possible.

[Goji]

Personally, I don't consider MKG a cyborg. He's dead, he dosen't think by himself, and he REQUIRES a pilot. Regardless of the once-living flesh that serves merely ornamental purpose, MKG is a Mecha. So this works fine as a Mecha on the same level.

[PyrasTerran]

Personally, I don't consider MKG a cyborg. He's dead, he dosen't think by himself, and he REQUIRES a pilot. Regardless of the once-living flesh that serves merely ornamental purpose, MKG is a Mecha. So this works fine as a Mecha on the same level.

... No, Goji, MKG is NOT dead.

Oy..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha-King_Ghidorah#Mecha-King_Ghidorah

www.kaijuphile.com/rodansroost/kaijustats/mechakingghidorah.shtml

www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/king_ghidorah_heisei.htm#m

Is that enough proof that Mecha-King Ghidorah is a piloted cyborg or do I need to bring GvKG's screenwriter? e_e

[Goji]

Mecha-King Ghidorah is a cyborg, controlled by his human operator. As such, the monster is better thought of as a weapon, rather than a living creature. He obeys instructions and attempts to carry them out to the best of his ability, his remaining organic components fully integrated with his cybernetic attachments.

He may TECHNICALLY be a cyborg, but in this game, and kaiju in general, somthing that dosen't think for itself and requires input is a Mecha. What would he do had Emmy not piloted him? Sat there and got his ass kicked. Whether he's alive or dead is not my point. In this game, Gigan is a Cyborg. He is organic fused with machine, and can operate of his own free will, taking orders from his masters as a human in the military would. Kiryuu was a Mecha that became a Cyborg (though, technically, he became somthing new entirely.) Mecha King Ghidorah is a Mecha.

This really dosen't even pertain as this thread is for Cyberzilla.

As such, the monster is better thought of as a weapon, rather than a living creature.

DEFINITION of mecha.

[Desert Eagle]

The way I see it, even if it does require a pilot, if a machine is melded with something alive, then it is a Cybernetic Organism, aka Cyborg.

[Goji]

Well yea, it is. But not in terms of Kaiju, because as I said, a cyborg kaiju thinks for itself.

[Logmon1]

Hooked him up with the new sheet.

[King of Slackers]

Some final tweaks:

Make the comment that, until its Neurolink is active, it is treated as having Intelligence and Strength Stats as part of its Weak Stats. This should emphasize just how much of a difference the Neurolink makes in its overall ability, as well as discourage you from sending the CyberZilla into battle without a pilot.
I agree with having the weakness to cold that you gave it, though not for the reasons why. Cold isnt going to make the Megatitanium brittle. I think what youre reffering to is what happens when you drastically heat up metal and then near-instantaneously cool it down again, but thats just simple metallurgical know-how and is a "general weakness"; one that everyone knows and anyone can make use of, if given the right situation. Make it so that the organics of the CyberZilla are vulnurable to the cold (as they should be, considering what happens when you apply freezing temperatures to dead flesh).

And with that out of the way, CyberZilla should be good to go.

[Logmon1]

done.

[Zilla]

......no

i think he ment speed not strength the stats you have for him now are not appropreate for a basic

[King of Slackers]

Er, yeah, what he said. What you had before was fine. I said make mention in his WEAKNESSES about it. It should look something like this:

Strong Stats: Speed, Constitution, Intelligence

Weak Stats: Specials, Strength

Weaknesses: Cyberzilla is weak to cold based attacks and attacks that drop the temperature, as can destroy his dead flesh.
Cyberzilla easily heats up, forcing him to take breaks and cool down.
Like all mechas and cyborgs, Cyberzilla is weak to electric attacks.
When CyberZilla's Neurolink is inactive, it loses it's Strength and Intelligence Strong Stats, and they become Weak Stats.


.... or whatever it is you had before. The point is, get rid of that mess there and just make the note in his Weaknesses! lol

[Goji]

Since I wasn't sure what we were talking about last time, and it's been clarified for me, I will allow piloted cyborgs as a character class, as it gives no real advantage or disadvantage, and only affects playstyle.

[Logmon1]

doneness